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		<title>By: Michael Claridge</title>
		<link>http://lateralaction.com/articles/mentor-drill-sergeant/comment-page-1/#comment-4082</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Claridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Robert Fritz’s book “The Path of Least Resistance” he illustrates that artists and accomplished creators get to a point in their craft where they use an “economy of means” to get to their final product:  their creation.

Too often those who analyze the art of creation tend to forget this fine point:  successful creation is most always achieved with fewest amount of steps; not using two words where one will do, not over producing an album, not using too many brush strokes/colors/media, etc. but only using the absolutely necessary to achieve the end product.

In actuality, when too many ideas, too much freedom, and too many chefs and not enough cooks occur in the creative process almost always the creative process is cumbersome, difficult, and often not successful.  But in contrast when there is unity of purpose, oneness in mind, and a singularity of skill and craft the creative process flows freely, quickly, and joyfully with greater success.

Rundgen might have had a large ego that got in the way, but it also appears that he had figured out the “economy of means” necessary to achieve his end goal.  He didn’t feel he needed to explore alternative methods, or even require XTC’s input and creativity.  His objective was to produce an album – period.

Had XTC understood that, and willfully allowed him to do that; meaning, marching to his orders, the process for them would have been much easier and less stressful, and perhaps even more successful, albeit more to Rundgens vision then Partridge’s.

But on the other hand, I’m sure you can see the necessity for absolute rigidity and obedience in the Armed Forces – lives are at stake, but this was not the Armed Forces this was a band for heaven’s sake.  Had Rundgen realized that and relinquished a bit of his rigidity then perhaps he and the band would have had more unity and would have exercised an “economy of means” to produce an even better product.

Fox seemed to understand this fine line.  He understood the distinction between having too much rigidity and too much freedom and was able to harness the bands best creative energy and with that “economy of means” produce a critically acclaimed creation.

Thanks for exploring these issues in your article.  There are tremendous lessons to be learned for all creators.  I appreciate your insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Robert Fritz’s book “The Path of Least Resistance” he illustrates that artists and accomplished creators get to a point in their craft where they use an “economy of means” to get to their final product:  their creation.</p>
<p>Too often those who analyze the art of creation tend to forget this fine point:  successful creation is most always achieved with fewest amount of steps; not using two words where one will do, not over producing an album, not using too many brush strokes/colors/media, etc. but only using the absolutely necessary to achieve the end product.</p>
<p>In actuality, when too many ideas, too much freedom, and too many chefs and not enough cooks occur in the creative process almost always the creative process is cumbersome, difficult, and often not successful.  But in contrast when there is unity of purpose, oneness in mind, and a singularity of skill and craft the creative process flows freely, quickly, and joyfully with greater success.</p>
<p>Rundgen might have had a large ego that got in the way, but it also appears that he had figured out the “economy of means” necessary to achieve his end goal.  He didn’t feel he needed to explore alternative methods, or even require XTC’s input and creativity.  His objective was to produce an album – period.</p>
<p>Had XTC understood that, and willfully allowed him to do that; meaning, marching to his orders, the process for them would have been much easier and less stressful, and perhaps even more successful, albeit more to Rundgens vision then Partridge’s.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, I’m sure you can see the necessity for absolute rigidity and obedience in the Armed Forces – lives are at stake, but this was not the Armed Forces this was a band for heaven’s sake.  Had Rundgen realized that and relinquished a bit of his rigidity then perhaps he and the band would have had more unity and would have exercised an “economy of means” to produce an even better product.</p>
<p>Fox seemed to understand this fine line.  He understood the distinction between having too much rigidity and too much freedom and was able to harness the bands best creative energy and with that “economy of means” produce a critically acclaimed creation.</p>
<p>Thanks for exploring these issues in your article.  There are tremendous lessons to be learned for all creators.  I appreciate your insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drew - yes, it&#039;s true that going popular often turns off the hard core indie fans.

@Jenny - if only those shifts could be controlled... :)

@Katie - I think that you meant &quot;Rundgren&quot; when you referred to &quot;Partridge&quot; in your comment.  Yes, we often REALLY learn things through mistakes and hard knocks.  At the same time, a lot of that is probably unnecessary pain.  A lack of trust and respect often keeps us from learning lessons in a positive, nuturing way.  Yes, we do need to learn how to overcome hardship and adversity, but I think a lot of it is self-inflicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drew &#8211; yes, it&#8217;s true that going popular often turns off the hard core indie fans.</p>
<p>@Jenny &#8211; if only those shifts could be controlled&#8230; <img src='http://lateralaction.com/base/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Katie &#8211; I think that you meant &#8220;Rundgren&#8221; when you referred to &#8220;Partridge&#8221; in your comment.  Yes, we often REALLY learn things through mistakes and hard knocks.  At the same time, a lot of that is probably unnecessary pain.  A lack of trust and respect often keeps us from learning lessons in a positive, nuturing way.  Yes, we do need to learn how to overcome hardship and adversity, but I think a lot of it is self-inflicted.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Charland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Charland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ultimately what it comes down to is the growth of the individual, or in this case the members of XTC. In my opinion, people only grow from hardship. We need real lessons that are hard and challenging to get us to learn. If you are hand held your whole life, you really are only getting half the experience. Therefore, XTC needed the experience with Partridge in order to achieve success with Fox. 

What is unfortunate is that the hand holder and drill sergeant can rarely be the same person. You need to have that ability to conflict and dislike someone, without being concerned about their feelings. I completely respect Partridge&#039;s decision to not become involved with the band emotionally. It ultimately led to greater success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ultimately what it comes down to is the growth of the individual, or in this case the members of XTC. In my opinion, people only grow from hardship. We need real lessons that are hard and challenging to get us to learn. If you are hand held your whole life, you really are only getting half the experience. Therefore, XTC needed the experience with Partridge in order to achieve success with Fox. </p>
<p>What is unfortunate is that the hand holder and drill sergeant can rarely be the same person. You need to have that ability to conflict and dislike someone, without being concerned about their feelings. I completely respect Partridge&#8217;s decision to not become involved with the band emotionally. It ultimately led to greater success.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I meant that in a small organization you usually have a direct report who is either task master or the buddy depending on the day. Although, now that I think about it more.. maybe I was thinking a little narrow-minded on that one. On the days when I do report to &quot;tough task master&quot; I have plenty of friends, co-workers and family who are there to play &quot;buddy.&quot; Not sure if I clarified or muddled my initial response with this follow-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I meant that in a small organization you usually have a direct report who is either task master or the buddy depending on the day. Although, now that I think about it more.. maybe I was thinking a little narrow-minded on that one. On the days when I do report to &#8220;tough task master&#8221; I have plenty of friends, co-workers and family who are there to play &#8220;buddy.&#8221; Not sure if I clarified or muddled my initial response with this follow-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew @ Cook Like Your Grandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew @ Cook Like Your Grandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I was thinking more of the stereotype of the indie fan: They like a band until they achieve commercial success, then stop listening to them.

Musicians are usually music fans first, so I&#039;m guessing one of the occupational hazards for indie musicians is the risk of viewing commercial success as a *bad* thing. I don&#039;t follow that scene, so this is just a guess based on human nature. And of course even if it&#039;s true in general, doesn&#039;t mean it was true of Partridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I was thinking more of the stereotype of the indie fan: They like a band until they achieve commercial success, then stop listening to them.</p>
<p>Musicians are usually music fans first, so I&#8217;m guessing one of the occupational hazards for indie musicians is the risk of viewing commercial success as a *bad* thing. I don&#8217;t follow that scene, so this is just a guess based on human nature. And of course even if it&#8217;s true in general, doesn&#8217;t mean it was true of Partridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drew - certainly you would think that most &quot;indie&quot; types would be worried about damaging their reputation or credibility.  I never got that impression from what I&#039;ve heard about Andy:  I don&#039;t think he ever cared too much about what most people thought!  (But I could be wrong...)

@Stacey - interesting point:  a perceived (or real!) lack of respect was one of the major problems during the Skylarking experience.  The band definitely felt that Rundgren didn&#039;t respect their opinions.

@Jenny - do you mind elaborating on that a bit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drew &#8211; certainly you would think that most &#8220;indie&#8221; types would be worried about damaging their reputation or credibility.  I never got that impression from what I&#8217;ve heard about Andy:  I don&#8217;t think he ever cared too much about what most people thought!  (But I could be wrong&#8230;)</p>
<p>@Stacey &#8211; interesting point:  a perceived (or real!) lack of respect was one of the major problems during the Skylarking experience.  The band definitely felt that Rundgren didn&#8217;t respect their opinions.</p>
<p>@Jenny &#8211; do you mind elaborating on that a bit?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. It seems that in small organizations it&#039;s an either/or depending on the day/mood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It seems that in small organizations it&#8217;s an either/or depending on the day/mood.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Cornelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing like having your back to the wall to get you motivated, but I&#039;d like to throw something else into the mix: respect. Respect for yourself, respect for your collaborators, respect for the work. That can help keep raging egos at bay and maintain a little perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing like having your back to the wall to get you motivated, but I&#8217;d like to throw something else into the mix: respect. Respect for yourself, respect for your collaborators, respect for the work. That can help keep raging egos at bay and maintain a little perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew @ Cook Like Your Grandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew @ Cook Like Your Grandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, if I might generalize about &quot;indie&quot; types, I suspect Partridge was afraid that commercial success was proof he had compromised his tastes and values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, if I might generalize about &#8220;indie&#8221; types, I suspect Partridge was afraid that commercial success was proof he had compromised his tastes and values.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel - there are a number of forces in society which frown upon the Drill Sergeant approach - even the US military is backing away from a bit, or so I&#039;ve heard.  At the same time, I know from personal experience that I&#039;ve occasionally benefited more from a kick in the pants than a pat on the back, but it&#039;s never fun.  At the same time, I think that many people will respond better to kindness.

@Jenny - interesting to bring up the idea of different roles for different times (e.g. coach vs. assistant coach).  It could be hard to do in small organizations unless one person can wear multiple hats.  Good point, though.

@Suzie - your method makes a lot of sense.  I think that XTC had no room to negotiate or maneuver during Skylarking as they weren&#039;t on good terms with their record company.  The relative success of Skylarking gave them more latitude, which may be why they got someone like Fox instead.

@Fox - I&#039;ve heard of the common enemy technique before.  I really couldn&#039;t say whether or not that was what Rundgren had in mind.  Chalkhills and Children seemed to indicate that his behaviour stemmed more from his natural personality (read:  ego) than a plan to make the band bond more tightly.  At any rate, it almost destroyed the band, so it probably wasn&#039;t a great approach.

@Drew - the more I think about your comment, the more I think that your assessment is correct.  Commercially, they were in debt with minimal income.  The only point I&#039;d make is that Partridge wasn&#039;t opposed to making music, but he didn&#039;t want to make commercially successful music if it compromised his tastes and values.  However, it was basically do or die (e.g. get another record label or get jobs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel &#8211; there are a number of forces in society which frown upon the Drill Sergeant approach &#8211; even the US military is backing away from a bit, or so I&#8217;ve heard.  At the same time, I know from personal experience that I&#8217;ve occasionally benefited more from a kick in the pants than a pat on the back, but it&#8217;s never fun.  At the same time, I think that many people will respond better to kindness.</p>
<p>@Jenny &#8211; interesting to bring up the idea of different roles for different times (e.g. coach vs. assistant coach).  It could be hard to do in small organizations unless one person can wear multiple hats.  Good point, though.</p>
<p>@Suzie &#8211; your method makes a lot of sense.  I think that XTC had no room to negotiate or maneuver during Skylarking as they weren&#8217;t on good terms with their record company.  The relative success of Skylarking gave them more latitude, which may be why they got someone like Fox instead.</p>
<p>@Fox &#8211; I&#8217;ve heard of the common enemy technique before.  I really couldn&#8217;t say whether or not that was what Rundgren had in mind.  Chalkhills and Children seemed to indicate that his behaviour stemmed more from his natural personality (read:  ego) than a plan to make the band bond more tightly.  At any rate, it almost destroyed the band, so it probably wasn&#8217;t a great approach.</p>
<p>@Drew &#8211; the more I think about your comment, the more I think that your assessment is correct.  Commercially, they were in debt with minimal income.  The only point I&#8217;d make is that Partridge wasn&#8217;t opposed to making music, but he didn&#8217;t want to make commercially successful music if it compromised his tastes and values.  However, it was basically do or die (e.g. get another record label or get jobs).</p>
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